Valve Stem Seal Replacement

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Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:27 am

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I have a feeling that my valve stem seals have harden from the car sitting without being started for the last 7 or so years.
The car smoked up a lot at the beginning and has now mostly subsided but there is a bit of a puff of smoke after idling a while and then stabbing the throttle.
I'm not sure if this will get better still as the engine has ran about 2 hours since first start up all up.
Either way I am doing the timing belt before driving it and hence it would be an opportune time to change the valve stem seals too (without removing the heads).

I've done this on my 6G74 before, however being a SOHC only the rocker arms had to be removed to get to the valve springs.

I assume with the MIVEC motor the cams need to come out to get to the valve springs?
Do the heads have caps that can be removed so the cams can be lifted or do they slide out from the side?

Any other considerations when doing this?
Are the valve stem seals specific to the MIVEC head or will the DOHC ones fit too?

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Sahin » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:31 am

There is cam caps they don't slide out

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Vectose » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:34 am

The MIVEC engine has a "cam carrier" it is sealed to the head using RTV sealant. The half moon seals go between this and the head.

You just remove the 12mm bolts on the cam caps (leave the 10mm bolts) and the whole carrier lifts out with the cams and rocker arms attached and gives you access to the valves/springs.

From here you just remove the springs like any other engine.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:47 am

Thanks for that.

I'll have a look through the engine manual and see what torque specs are there too.
Since the timing belt will be off anyway this hopefully shouldn't be any bigger of a job than when I had to do the 6G74 valve stem seals.

Does anyone know if any specific valve spring compressor fits there?

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Vectose » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:09 am

I've only done them with heads off so not sure what tool would fit. But there is a mitsi tool used in the manual.

The torque settings are 24nm for the 12mm bolts and 11nm for the 10mm bolts if I recall correctly.

There's a lot a certain order you need to undo/do them up in.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Bennoz » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:53 am

Meek sell the tool to do them with heads on: http://www.meek.com.au/tools/valve-spri ... -tool.html
Been meaning to buy one myself.

Torque order is to do the centre ones in first & work your way outward on each side, much like torquing a head.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Vectose » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:39 pm

But you wanna be careful, if any of the plastic collets on the tappet screws are broken you will lose the metal shim down the engine when you lift the cam carrier out.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:32 pm

Thanks everyone.

When I did the valve stem seals on my 6G74 I covered everything in gladwrap to avoid contamination plus to make sure nothing falls somewhere and is lost.
I ended up compressing the springs in a C clamp and holding them down with metal zipties. This made installation of the collets quite easy, so if all else fails I might do the same for the 6A12

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:22 am

Does anyone know if the valve stem seals are shared amongst any other motors just to see what aftermarket replacement seals are available since there does not seem to be much for the 6A1X motors.

Part numbers are MD184303 for the intake and MD302338 for the exhaust.
Meek sells some but I am not sure of brand or quality?

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Bennoz » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:40 am

Inlets are common to a stack of Mitsis, the exhaust really only the Legnum & 1 Lancer..

For a little bit of rubber, I don't know if you're gonna get much variety in brand shopping. If it was me, I'd go genuine.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:17 pm

Thanks Bennoz,
The CK6A Lancer is the 6A11 equipped one so it seems the exhaust stem seals are unique to this series motor.

I am not against OEM, and the $50-$80 extra is no concern considering the amount of hours it takes to do, I just want the best available option.

I do know that the older Mitsubishi engines are notorious with leaking valve stem seals and my concern is that this might be due to the quality of rubber used in OEM parts that ends up hardening over time.

When I first started my 6A12 after a few years of not being started it smoked up a lot, so I assume that the seals dried and hardened. The smoke has mostly subsided now but like I mentioned since the timing belt will be off it is an opportune time to swap these out.
Additionally the heads have been ported and polished, 3 angle valve cut etc, but I have no idea whether the stem seals were changed, I assume this should be normal practice, which means I do not know what brand seals are currently in there

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Bennoz » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Yep, my 6A13 seals needs doing. Just about every bit of rubber in it from half moons to the crank seal needs doing in it. It is 20 years old, I'm not surprised.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:43 pm

I was thinking about how to tackle this job, and when I did it on the 6G74 I used rope down the cylinder to prevent the valves from dropping down.
I spun the motor to BDC for each cylinder I was working on, fed rope, then spun it up toward TDC to compress the rope.
Now, with the SOHC 6G74 the cams and hence the timing belt were not taken off.
With the MIVEC since they do need to be taken off, I assume I cannot spin the motor unless all 4 cams are removed? Otherwise the cams that are in place still will have some valves interfering with the pistons?

Is there a way around this other than to manually rotate the cams half as much as the crank?

I would prefer to do one bank at a time but it is looking like I need to remove everything in one go.

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Daniel2019 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:07 pm

Just pull the heads off.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:24 pm

I'd rather change the valve stem seals with the heads left on.
It'll be cheaper and for me easier, as I've replaced valve stem seals before but have never removed a head off of a block

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Sahin » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:51 pm

It's eight more bolts lol

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Post by Daniel2019 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:05 am

Sahin wrote:It's eight more bolts lol
Nah f**k doing it the easy way.. would rather struggle for triple the amount of time :lol:
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by spetz » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:37 am

Yes but the cost of OEM head bolts + OEM gaskets.
Also I am in no rush so I don't mind changing a couple of valve stems each night after work over 2 weeks or so.

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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Vectose » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:11 pm

You don't need new head bolts unless they've stretched. I've done a few rebuilds now and none have been out of spec.
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Re: Valve Stem Seal Replacement

Post by Daniel2019 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:45 pm

Correct. There will be a measurement in the workshop manual for bolt length and possibly thread pitch.

Mine were in spec when I rebuilt my motor.
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