FG Falcon XR6T first drive! 5.1 0-100!!!

[khunjeng]

yeah

i was talking about an old ford just then...i got defensive cos you said they were way better than an FTO and they'll never compete and I know for a fact that they do

i reckon all fords & holdens weigh too much for their own good but thats.... being corner-ist.

hehe at least we sorted it out. dont get me worng I would never buy one (again!)

[mr-charisma]

hehe, I wasn't going to bring it up ... but for $40k I'd just get a Lotus Elise, faster, lighter & better handling than any Falcon ..

(and yes KJ, I love them so much I will buy one ... some day )

[khunjeng]

hehe, I wasn't going to bring it up ... but for $40k I'd just get a Lotus Elise, faster, lighter & better handling than any Falcon ..

(and yes KJ, I love them so much I will buy one ... some day )

now thats a kick arse car.

[Delvance]

They can't turn.

Mate check out corner speeds to a FPV/HSV and if you think it cant turn then obviously most performance euros cant either.

Lol wtf haha.

Ok i'll check some...

Oh wait, an equivalent jap car (similar price) with less power do turn quicker. Oops.

Try a Nissan 350z, a mitsu evo 9 (don't even use the X yet), hrmm maybe an sti. For crying out loud, i've seen mitsubishi ralliart colts attack some corners with higher entry speed than big aussie muscle.

The king hit in that list is the 350z. Cost a bit less if you're talking an HSV clubby R8, has less power than r8, less track focused than R8, is n/a and FR like the R8.

I appreciate aussie muscle, i really do like the current clubbies and whatnot.

But if you wanna talk corner entry speed being on par with euros and japs, you're living in dream land mate.

And the jap cars i looked up aren't even the best cornerers japs have, but i will admit they are in the good class.

Clubby R8...i don't think HSV have a better/ more track focused model.

To be fair, i should've looked up an r35 gt-r against that new 7 litre HSV are gonna build. Same price and both are aimed at performance drivers...guess which one's gonna turn faster haha.

[payaya]

The fact is, you are here because you own an fto...so what is the point of saying how crap it may be ( i dont agree) ...live with what you got...beggers cant be choosers. (this isnt directed at any individual)

Not crap but "understand" the FTO is old car and its ok to have unbiased veiws towards it. Face the facts if the FTO was placed in a review today in the same class it will not stand a chance in hell. To whoever thinks it can on refinement/saftey etc is kididng themselves.

Going by previous PCOTY results the aussies are only about 1-2 seconds off the M5/M3/RS etc. The margin is now less with the FG and is a third of the price. Dont say the aussies dont turn what has come out of Japan in recent times to handle better than the aussies at the same price? Not many You you can see any sense in this then obviously your point of view is way biased.

Ya got to get out of your head the car is sh*t. When mitsubishi spend all this money on the 380 and still not being able to surpass a Falcon then obviously the aussies deserve credit.

[payaya]

They can't turn.

Mate check out corner speeds to a FPV/HSV and if you think it cant turn then obviously most performance euros cant either.

Lol wtf haha.

Ok i'll check some...

Oh wait, an equivalent jap car (similar price) with less power do turn quicker. Oops.

Try a Nissan 350z, a mitsu evo 9 (don't even use the X yet), hrmm maybe an sti. For crying out loud, i've seen mitsubishi ralliart colts attack some corners with higher entry speed than big aussie muscle.

The king hit in that list is the 350z. Cost a bit less if you're talking an HSV clubby R8, has less power than r8, less track focused than R8, is n/a and FR like the R8.

I appreciate aussie muscle, i really do like the current clubbies and whatnot.

But if you wanna talk corner entry speed being on par with euros and japs, you're living in dream land mate.

And the jap cars i looked up aren't even the best cornerers japs have, but i will admit they are in the good class.

Clubby R8...i don't think HSV have a better/ more track focused model.

To be fair, i should've looked up an r35 gt-r against that new 7 litre HSV are gonna build. Same price and both are aimed at performance drivers...guess which one's gonna turn faster haha.

PCOTY
GTS Lap time: 1.42.00
BMW M5 - 1.41.15
Audi RS4 - 1.41.12

So if a Euro handles and an aussie doesnt there must be a massive fine line between handling or not? Less than a second means everything. Compare a sedan to a sedan not something that weighs 300 kgs less. If the top euros are unable to put a gap on the aussies how do they not handle???? You keep comparing pocket rockets to large sedans. Name 1 japanes 4 door sedan at comparible size and price on the market at the moment that compares to the aussies on all around ability. There prob is one but i cant think of it. We should be proud to have such fine enginerred vehicles in this country.

[mr-charisma]

It's getting pretty tiring hearing all of these arguments comparing 14 year old FTO's to "Current generation cars" ..
No sh*t a stock FTO wouldn't compare to a lot of current gen cars performance wise - especially if the current gen cars have been designed (like the new Falcon obviously has been) FOR PERFORMANCE!

An FTO would beat the pants off an '08 model Toyota Tarago in performance & handling (don't quote me on that - I have no idea about Tarago's - nor do I care to find out) ... & the comparison is no less "chalk & cheese" than comparing an FTO to say an R35 GTR Skyline FFS!

I'm still not convinced that spending upwards of $50-60k on a late model car is better than spending 10k on an FTO and investing 50k into it for a Turbo + AWD install with forged internals & upgrading other running gear to "modernise" it.
Seriously .. pull your fkn head out!

Have you even taken a look at your FTO recently? Aside from the timeless exterior design, take notice next time of the interior - it's design is damn sexy IMO, has all the mod cons - climate control, power windows, sunroof (for some), electric mirrors, electric windows to name a few.. now go out to a car yard, pick any* car made in 1994/1995 & compare it to your FTO .. The FACT is, FTO's were ahead of their time & still are leaps & bounds ahead of other cars today..

Also, The fact that as a few of us has mentioned, that they would never buy the Falcon, or even refuse to 'drive' one doesn't really have anything to do with its "performance" specs - noone can deny the technical data - but purely the fact that Ford have as you said "poured all this money into it" & still only managed to churn out the same old crap with a bigger engine & "sports package" is truly pathetic IMO

I wish they would actually be creative & innovative and release a "sleeker" & "sexier" car, if only to improve the aerodynamics & shave another 0.1 seconds off their quarter mile..

[payaya]

It's getting pretty tiring hearing all of these arguments comparing 14 year old FTO's to "Current generation cars" ..
No sh*t a stock FTO wouldn't compare to a lot of current gen cars performance wise - especially if the current gen cars have been designed (like the new Falcon obviously has been) FOR PERFORMANCE!

Exactly! You said it yourself. I never compared the FTO to the Ford, I compared it to a HSV.

This is an "other cars" section, I did not start the whole "Sucks compared to my FTO" business.

If people are to compare the two then expect some other points of view in return.

[khunjeng]

apart from the fun argumenet as most peple are so sensitive about their baby, this is other cars, so non-fto biased opinions may be discussed.

I'm still not convinced that spending upwards of $50-60k on a late model car is better than spending 10k on an FTO and investing 50k into it for a Turbo + AWD install with forged internals & upgrading other running gear to "modernise" it.
Seriously .. pull your fkn head out!

lol if you thik so, keep dreaming. stick with your arguement that the FTO is a pretty cool car, looks great and goes good.

[oodLes]

Looks good, makes an awesome sound, is fairly unknown (at least where I live) and is well equipped for the price.

However, its still going to get smashed at the lights.

Also the comparison of age is wrong. If age made a difference the Porche 917 would be pretty slow huh. Its not. Built in 1973 and made 1178kw.

[mr-charisma]

apart from the fun argumenet as most peple are so sensitive about their baby, this is other cars, so non-fto biased opinions may be discussed.

I'm still not convinced that spending upwards of $50-60k on a late model car is better than spending 10k on an FTO and investing 50k into it for a Turbo + AWD install with forged internals & upgrading other running gear to "modernise" it.
Seriously .. pull your fkn head out!

lol if you thik so, keep dreaming. stick with your arguement that the FTO is a pretty cool car, looks great and goes good.

Don't get me wrong, as much as I'd love to see someone drop 50k into an FTO for the AWD Turbo thing & think that it would be awesome, I would still rather to spend 40-50k on my Lotus Dream & keep my FTO the way it is (I'm happy with the power my FTO has - spending my $$ to improve/replace suspension/handling though)

[Delvance]

They can't turn.

Mate check out corner speeds to a FPV/HSV and if you think it cant turn then obviously most performance euros cant either.

Lol wtf haha.

Ok i'll check some...

Oh wait, an equivalent jap car (similar price) with less power do turn quicker. Oops.

Try a Nissan 350z, a mitsu evo 9 (don't even use the X yet), hrmm maybe an sti. For crying out loud, i've seen mitsubishi ralliart colts attack some corners with higher entry speed than big aussie muscle.

The king hit in that list is the 350z. Cost a bit less if you're talking an HSV clubby R8, has less power than r8, less track focused than R8, is n/a and FR like the R8.

I appreciate aussie muscle, i really do like the current clubbies and whatnot.

But if you wanna talk corner entry speed being on par with euros and japs, you're living in dream land mate.

And the jap cars i looked up aren't even the best cornerers japs have, but i will admit they are in the good class.

Clubby R8...i don't think HSV have a better/ more track focused model.

To be fair, i should've looked up an r35 gt-r against that new 7 litre HSV are gonna build. Same price and both are aimed at performance drivers...guess which one's gonna turn faster haha.

PCOTY
GTS Lap time: 1.42.00
BMW M5 - 1.41.15
Audi RS4 - 1.41.12

So if a Euro handles and an aussie doesnt there must be a massive fine line between handling or not? Less than a second means everything. Compare a sedan to a sedan not something that weighs 300 kgs less. If the top euros are unable to put a gap on the aussies how do they not handle???? You keep comparing pocket rockets to large sedans. Name 1 japanes 4 door sedan at comparible size and price on the market at the moment that compares to the aussies on all around ability. There prob is one but i cant think of it. We should be proud to have such fine enginerred vehicles in this country.

I'm not too savvy on euros so i won't say much but in the end the euros do still handle better. The extra money not only goes to performance but also the rest of the car. So much used on the euros are higher quality. And yes i've ridden in quite a few euros...you think aussie build quality and materials quality compare ?

Seriously, name one that can outhandle a gts etc at similar price ? Aaaahahahaha. Try an Sti or an evo mate. Ok finished, move along. Not hating on aussie cars, i like 'em too. But just face that that is not the way they are marketed (and hence concentrated strengths etc).

[payaya]

Mate how is a WRX and STI comparible size?? STI and WRx should be compared to a Golf R32 Mazda 3 MPS.

Give you a quote fromt the latest Motor Mag

"Fords FG Falcon XR6 Turbo is such a superv piece of gear that we honestly can't think of another rear drive sedan, anywhere in the world that can match its stunning blend of explosive accerleration suprememe effortlessness and egalitarian accessibilty all for the heady price of $45490.

It joins the likes of the E46 BMW M3 as one of the greatest sixes of our time and something tells us that when Ford Oz's turbocharged straight 6 is finally buries in 2010 the FG XR6 Turbo (and its even more highly prized FPV F6 relative) will be a keeper - being the final gllorious swansong for the Aussie designed and built six and all.

But while the XR6T's boosted engine is a blinder, its the vehicle as a whole that deserves accolades. Reckon the powers that be would let us nominate a car for Australian of the year"

OR

"If the XR6 Turbo is the worlds best value sports sedan then the G6E Turbo is the wholds ultimate Q-car. Visually its still the modern iteration of the Grandads XD Falcon cleanly styled attatively modern and subtely classy - but nothing less than an AMG Merc can out-run the G6E Turbo in a straight line. And to think for a moment aboutt eh flailing in its wake - Jaguar XJR, BMW 550i, Mercedes E500, Audis S4, S6, S8 and possibly even a Maerati's Quattroporte.

[yano]

Ok you're quoting an aussie mag about an aussie car so there's always gonna be a pro aussie car talk. In saying that though the BA xr6 and the new fg xr6 are pretty good all round for what you get/got for the price. IN AUSTRALIA yeah it's pretty competitive and probably impossible to find something better all round for the price and in the category.

Australia has started making 'decent' (and i use that term loosely) cars. For years and years they were behind the world in engineering, making cars with prehistoric technology. It kept the bogans happy though. The past 6 or so years they've been making huge leaps and its because of the parent company's gm and ford chucking money into their aus operations.

The ford still uses an engine, whilst it has been redesigned, that originally debuted over 15years ago. The power figure's that the engines getting aren't particularly too surprising. 4 litres and a turbo should pull big numbers, period. Magazines and the majority of aussies love to boast about what the aussie cars can do in comparison to the more expensive cars. They've been doing it for years, they know what aussie patriotic readers want to see so that play on it. They forget though to include what's either been done the past or what else is available in domestic markets overseas....

Half the time however I doubt even 1/4 actually know what the jap market ever had and are currently getting. In terms of design and style, some euro's just can't be looked over (look at the new audi's ffs, absolute porn for the eyes).

The japs had cars like the toyota/lexus aristo (206kws from 3l's not 4) which could pull 0-100 6 flat. Nissan made the skyline 4door in both the ecr34 and the g35 (once again 206 kw's from 2.5l's with a turbo and 206kw's from 3.5 l's n/a) which would do the 0-100 in a similar time (g35 is high 6's low 7's and is currently available on the market). Another notable mention is the latest Nissan f50 cima, 4.5ltrs and a v8 making either 209 or 254kws.

It's taken so many years for holden and ford aus to realise that displacement isn't everything and weight, handling and design factors must be priority as well. In saying that I can't say I like the xr's new nose. Looks cheap imo. Bu anyways these are my thoughts. Don't mean to be starting ww3 or anything but everyone has a valid point with something they've said. One more thing, kinda funny how a nation obsessed with v8's are getting their teeth smashed in by a 6 and then they're proud of it.

[yano]

one more thing

When mitsubishi spend all this money on the 380 and still not being able to surpass a Falcon then obviously the aussies deserve credit.

Sorry but that's kinda not fair. Mitsubishi australia had nowhere near the financial backing or resources as either holden or ford aus nor even had the amount of freedom as either of these companies. Also the government contribution was a lot larger to both holden and ford because of their popularity in aussie culture. If mitsubishi made a 3ltr mivec v6 engine with 200kws in the diamante )magna equivalent, then given the proper resources in aus it would have been interesting.....

[payaya]

Ok you're quoting an aussie mag about an aussie car so there's always gonna be a pro aussie car talk. In saying that though the BA xr6 and the new fg xr6 are pretty good all round for what you get/got for the price. IN AUSTRALIA yeah it's pretty competitive and probably impossible to find something better all round for the price and in the category.

Australia has started making 'decent' (and i use that term loosely) cars. For years and years they were behind the world in engineering, making cars with prehistoric technology. It kept the bogans happy though. The past 6 or so years they've been making huge leaps and its because of the parent company's gm and ford chucking money into their aus operations.

The ford still uses an engine, whilst it has been redesigned, that originally debuted over 15years ago. The power figure's that the engines getting aren't particularly too surprising. 4 litres and a turbo should pull big numbers, period. Magazines and the majority of aussies love to boast about what the aussie cars can do in comparison to the more expensive cars. They've been doing it for years, they know what aussie patriotic readers want to see so that play on it. They forget though to include what's either been done the past or what else is available in domestic markets overseas....

Half the time however I doubt even 1/4 actually know what the jap market ever had and are currently getting. In terms of design and style, some euro's just can't be looked over (look at the new audi's ffs, absolute porn for the eyes).

The japs had cars like the toyota/lexus aristo (206kws from 3l's not 4) which could pull 0-100 6 flat. Nissan made the Big Ugly Soap Box Racer 4door in both the ecr34 and the g35 (once again 206 kw's from 2.5l's with a turbo and 206kw's from 3.5 l's n/a) which would do the 0-100 in a similar time (g35 is high 6's low 7's and is currently available on the market). Another notable mention is the latest Nissan f50 cima, 4.5ltrs and a v8 making either 209 or 254kws.

It's taken so many years for holden and ford aus to realise that displacement isn't everything and weight, handling and design factors must be priority as well. In saying that I can't say I like the xr's new nose. Looks cheap imo. Bu anyways these are my thoughts. Don't mean to be starting ww3 or anything but everyone has a valid point with something they've said. One more thing, kinda funny how a nation obsessed with v8's are getting their teeth smashed in by a 6 and then they're proud of it.

Why would they compare the XR6T to a vehicle not sold here? Pointless. Its a 4 door large sedan so they have compared it to the best of the best which is the euros. Is your going to look at raw perofrmance figures then the FPV F6 does 80-120 in 2.7 seconds which quicker than most cars out there. I doubt not many Jap cars can do that bar a GTR35.

This thread was posted because a 40k machine can do low 13 quartermile and flat 0-100. I dont care about how the thing looks I was referring to the straight line performance. If you find 206KW excited these days go buy yourself a Aurion. Sorry but when stock vehicle have 200kw theres not much that will excite me.

[payaya]

one more thing

When mitsubishi spend all this money on the 380 and still not being able to surpass a Falcon then obviously the aussies deserve credit.

Sorry but that's kinda not fair. Mitsubishi australia had nowhere near the financial backing or resources as either holden or ford aus nor even had the amount of freedom as either of these companies. Also the government contribution was a lot larger to both holden and ford because of their popularity in aussie culture. If mitsubishi made a 3ltr mivec v6 engine with 200kws in the diamante )magna equivalent, then given the proper resources in aus it would have been interesting.....

Mitsubishi had 600 million to change the Mitsubishi Eclips "new" platform. Even if Mitsubishi did a 200kw vehicle it will be classed as base line. As a performance fan, it will need to be RWD or 4WD. I find an EVO a brilliant car but its too *~delightful!~* for me. The 3000GT is my favorite in the Mitsubishi lineup.

[sublime19]

Who cares about what's better than who's car, no matter what you do to an fto performance / handling wise, somebody else is gonna have something better.

I don' like falcons and commodores but who cares, a lot of people don't like FTOs. If you're spending 60K on a FTO, you're doing it because you love your car, but anybody else would say "you're wasting your money" and they wouldn't be wrong, because you'd get much more out of a lot of other cars by throwing half that amount in. But who cares? It's your car and your decision and that's all that matters. Realise the limits of your car. Nothing wrong with it not being the greatest car in the world.

And referring back to the 2nd page - I can't see anything KJ said was offensive, he was 100% right and didn't have to justify anything to anybody, people just needed to open their eyes and broaden their mental horizons a bit more. People may not like skylines but they sh*t all over fto's. For eg - You spend 20k on a fto and 20k on a skyline, the statement will still stand. Don't give things more credit for what they're worth.

Oh, and the F*CK with Motor magazine, who reads that sh*t? It's full of bullsh*t and about nothing but aussie cars, of course they'll have biased articles.

[payaya]

I drive an FTO but I can also appreciate what else is out there. Fair enough you dont like the aussie cars but you cant say they are crap. Bang for your buck they are unbeatable.

Compared to other 4 door sedans in the world the XR6T is as quick and handles just as good. So people need to stop whinging and except its a good car. It may not be as good quality obviously as it doesnt cost as much. The XR6T is like the IS500 equivilant at a quarter of the price. So except it!

The R35 is like the 350Z in Australia. I think based on the same floorplan and engine. I love the 350Z I was looking them up as my next car, great around corners, pretty quick in a straight line and an exhaust note to die for. Thing is it doesnt keep up with a AMG. I find the shove in the back exciting.

You may think the Mags are crap but internation mags have given the aussies just as good of a review.

[bushido]

I get to drive a lot of falcons and commodores (and aurions and corollas) at work.
From what I can gather;
The ZF six speed in the falcon is bloody impressive.

Back to back, the falcons with this tranny sh*t all over the 4 speed

Holden spending 1 billion on the omega hasnt shown itself

Aurions are fast!


Aussie cars are alright, but each to their own.

Small Jap beautys for me