FTO AUSTRALIA

Vectose wrote:You won't be able to make 250HP on an NA engine.

Not with that attitude.

Hey Dwayne, still not convinced the transmission losses are as high as 33%
Your ATW figures are good though

Case in point. Before and after figures on a fresh rebuilt GR engine (92KW ATA stock to 117KW ATW with Haltech). Dras spent quite a bit on the rebuild, and from all accounts was a good job. So 30+% is looking quite possible from this. Add about 8KW for a stock GPX and thatwould put it smackon 100.

Dras did a Mivec swap.

I guess that makes it even more compelling then

Or it could just be Mitsubishi lied about their 150kw at the flywheel figures. And it was probably on a 100RON tune in ideal circumstances.

Vectose wrote:Or it could just be Mitsubishi lied about their 150kw at the flywheel figures. And it was probably on a 100RON tune in ideal circumstances.

Maybe, but then that could be said of all manufacturers

Or we could accept that these cars are coming up on 20 years old and all the killer wasps died a decade ago.

My mileage is still quite low (100K Genuine), so most of mine will still be intact

I think, at the end of the day, it's a bit like Valandis said. If you're happy with how the car is performing, you don't need to worry about the numbers. The FTO will never be a cheap powerhouse, so short of turbo/super-charging it, the best option is to do all the things you can to squeeze the power out as aforementioned, and then focus on bringing the handling to its full potential.

IMO, I think anyone who doesn't have one should definitely invest in a rear strut brace, and an uprated rear sway bar (though they are getting hard to come by).

bjk wrote:
IMO, I think anyone who doesn't have one should definitely invest in a rear strut brace, and an uprated rear sway bar (though they are getting hard to come by).

Yes I was thanks of getting a fatt/thiccker rear sway bar, is 23mm too thick?

I just don;t want to be spinning out everywhere

Dwayne It's the driveline losses of 33% to get to the ATF figure that I don't agree with, something would have to be very wrong to be incurring those kind of losses in my opinion.
200hp fly - 33% = 134hp at the wheels - that would be quite low.
After only a few mild mods on the old car I was getting around 160hp at the wheels which if we base trans losses around 20% for an auto would be around 200hp at the fly - probably gained back a couple of ponies that I had lost.
I could be wrong of course.

I think your power figure ATW is really good and probably one of the best.
You can only really go off ATW figures anyway as that's what is measured by the Dyno, ATF is calculated and then Dyno operators add in factors like temperature and atmos pressure, tyre pressures etc. I found the drag strip to be a good way of testing mod improvements particularly on the auto since they are more predictable/consistent, I was hitting consistent 15.5's and couldn't get any lower before supercharging it (the old red car - Tip).

Invader_X wrote:

bjk wrote:
IMO, I think anyone who doesn't have one should definitely invest in a rear strut brace, and an uprated rear sway bar (though they are getting hard to come by).

Yes I was thanks of getting a fatt/thiccker rear sway bar, is 23mm too thick?

I just don;t want to be spinning out everywhere

I think it'd be fine. Whiteline made a 22mm adjustable one (three stiffness settings) but I think unfortunately it's been discontinued. Not sure what else is on the market.

Dwayne It's the driveline losses of 33% to get to the ATF figure that I don't agree with, something would have to be very wrong to be incurring those kind of losses in my opinion.
200hp fly - 33% = 134hp at the wheels - that would be quite low.
After only a few mild mods on the old car I was getting around 160hp at the wheels which if we base trans losses around 20% for an auto would be around 200hp at the fly - probably gained back a couple of ponies that I had lost.
I could be wrong of course.

OK, so that must mean that the flywheel figures quoted out of the factory must be quite bloated then.

dstocks wrote:

Dwayne It's the driveline losses of 33% to get to the ATF figure that I don't agree with, something would have to be very wrong to be incurring those kind of losses in my opinion.
200hp fly - 33% = 134hp at the wheels - that would be quite low.
After only a few mild mods on the old car I was getting around 160hp at the wheels which if we base trans losses around 20% for an auto would be around 200hp at the fly - probably gained back a couple of ponies that I had lost.
I could be wrong of course.

OK, so that must mean that the flywheel figures quoted out of the factory must be quite bloated then.

Could be, i've had a look at some of the rolling road results from the UK FTO owners club and not many getting near 200bhp (for some reason they are showing flywheel results on the dyno printouts), most seem to be 190 to 200 even with mods but they don't seem to mod them as much as over here except for a couple of guys.
Most are just running different exhausts and air filters, not many with manifolds/extractors/headers - whatever they are called (shipping from RPW is expensive) and not many are running piggy back emu's. Could they even be having a detrimental effect as they've improved breathing but not then matched fuelling and ignition timing?

A couple are above 210bhp flywheel (those with EMU's), one of those (Don Griffiths aka RedGPX) ran a 13.9 1/4 mile in N/A form but his car is stripped out and has semi drags on and a few other goodies. One or two guys with VR4's and two with superchargers (one has just bought a GPX engine and supercharger setup from another owner and put it in his GR)

Apart from Batty with his monster this is where it's at right now, more guys on here with turbos and greater N/A power.
Anyway I think i've ruined this thread enough, looking forward to seeing your car in the flesh in a couple of weeks.

Rob Furniss wrote: they don't seem to mod them as much as over here except for a couple of guys.

That's cause they spend all their money on fixing rust!

Rob Furniss wrote:...not many are running piggy back emu's.

Clearly you hadn't been in Australia long enough!
Have you ever tried to piggyback an emu?
They don't f**king like it!

SchumieFan wrote:

Rob Furniss wrote: they don't seem to mod them as much as over here except for a couple of guys.

That's cause they spend all their money on fixing rust!

Rob Furniss wrote:...not many are running piggy back emu's.

Clearly you hadn't been in Australia long enough!
Have you ever tried to piggyback an emu?
They don't f**king like it!

I bet they don't but I have no first hand experience, is this a popular pass-time in Austraya?

Automatics definitely lose significantly more power to the wheels, that is a proven fact.

An old member on here, akys, went from about 85kw with bolt on mods to well over 100kw after manual conversion.

Edit: Sorry, read that wrong.. ATF for me is usually related to automatics.