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payaya · Post by **payaya** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:58 pm

Bennoz wrote:I understand you got the cam gears? They look good?

Looks great under the timing cover!

Post by **Bennoz** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:23 pm

payaya wrote:
Bennoz wrote:I understand you got the cam gears? They look good?
Looks great under the timing cover!

payaya · Post by **payaya** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:22 pm

Haha ok if you cut a hole in it!

Post by **Bennoz** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:45 pm

Nothin' you can't do with a straight grinder!

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:30 pm

i was thinking more along the lines of a clear cover...
do they sell them anywhere?

as my mechanic said could be risky if a rock or something slips under the belt

Post by **Bennoz** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:34 pm

Valandis91 wrote:i was thinking more along the lines of a clear cover...
do they sell them anywhere?

as my mechanic said could be risky if a rock or something slips under the belt

I tried to have some made, but it was super pricey & they will apparently just get covered in soot & belt dust anyway

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:10 am

Bennoz wrote:
Valandis91 wrote:i was thinking more along the lines of a clear cover...
do they sell them anywhere?

as my mechanic said could be risky if a rock or something slips under the belt
I tried to have some made, but it was super pricey & they will apparently just get covered in soot & belt dust anyway

oh really... true. not much point then really unless it was a show car. maybe get like clear covers to go over the hole u have cut or something?

FTEvolution · Post by **FTEvolution** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:20 am

Valandis91 wrote:
Bennoz wrote:
Valandis91 wrote:i was thinking more along the lines of a clear cover...
do they sell them anywhere?

as my mechanic said could be risky if a rock or something slips under the belt
I tried to have some made, but it was super pricey & they will apparently just get covered in soot & belt dust anyway
oh really... true. not much point then really unless it was a show car. maybe get like clear covers to go over the hole you have cut or something?

Do it the safe way and just use the cover. *IF* you were to show the car you can always just remove the cover and then put it back afterwards

Then again, Ben, has anyone ever actually had an issue with a rock getting in there? Never heard of it myself.

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:33 pm

FTEvolution wrote:
Valandis91 wrote:
Bennoz wrote:
Valandis91 wrote:i was thinking more along the lines of a clear cover...
do they sell them anywhere?

as my mechanic said could be risky if a rock or something slips under the belt
I tried to have some made, but it was super pricey & they will apparently just get covered in soot & belt dust anyway
oh really... true. not much point then really unless it was a show car. maybe get like clear covers to go over the hole you have cut or something?
Do it the safe way and just use the cover. *IF* you were to show the car you can always just remove the cover and then put it back afterwards

Then again, Ben, has anyone ever actually had an issue with a rock getting in there? Never heard of it myself.

i wouldnt want to be the first to find out... definitely sense some costly repairs there!!!

NOW FOR THE AWESOME NEWS!

dropped her off at 6:45am on my way to work this morning.

Work done today:

- Repaired leaky cam seal they stuffed up
- Put new cams in

second time lucky!!!
- Put Vernier Cam Gears on and timing belt etc.
- They did have issues with the vernier with the cam angle sensor but this was fixed by using the one of my cam gear and drilling new holes for that to fix so she's all good now!

Theyre doing the valve clearances tomorrow which is a bit iffy... cos we are uncertain if theyll be different from stock or not... then she'll be fired up tomorrow!
i get to go see her after work but not sure if theyll be able to start it or not when im there cos theyll be amongst putting the oil and tranny coolers on with the catch can.
Should be getting her back on thursday.....
Fingers crossed! So exciting!

would this be the first fto ever to have the cams done?

oh and pics up in 30 mins or so

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:31 am

Piccies!!!

The beautiful Verniers

i quite like this pic...

new cams in with the verniers

koolio1234 · Post by **koolio1234** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:19 am

Look great those verniers are sexy, After you get it back it'll just need a tune right?

Post by **vipfto** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:56 am

awesome mate.
I think Bennoz GR motor had cams before he destroyed it and some of the UK guys my have some too. But not as aggressive as far as I know?

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:02 am

Yeah I had a Ralliart grind on my GR ones. Was only a mild grind & such didn't need to open up the tappet clearances any more than stock (0.1mm inlet & 0.13mm exhaust.)

They look good thou!

I'd just cut the holes in the timing covers. If you get it as close to the cam gear diametre as possible, no rocks or crap will get in.

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:13 pm

got an email back from dave saying stock clearances should be fine hmm...

im at my mechanics now
they started it but it ran very rough and died after awhile.

just waiting for them to put it back together now and try playing with the verniers
they tried revving it and it smoothed out at around 4000rpm
but yeah need more info from dave!

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:54 pm

the latest...

procedures have been delayed

today was occupied by starting the engine, idling then dying, the disasembling of it again just to double check it was set up properly then the same again. we had it idling for about a minute or 2 before it dies. its a very rough idle... sounds tough though but yeah it dies off... seems as though the idle controller isnt dooing anything either as they tried adjusting it but nothing...

we then realised that up to 4000rpm there is like no vacuum in the manifold

except we dont know why! we think it may be because the cams are overlapping too much but yeah not sure.
mechanics were getting very frustrated. it did sound like it wanted to unleash some serious power though...

sent an email tto dave and his response was -

It is smoothing out at 4000rpm probably because the variable inlet manifold is switching butterflies as well as its getting enough fuel. These camshafts will require significant retuning.

As far as the cam gears go - leave the camshafts set at the factory positions. Do not alter them until you are on the dyno and have some rough tuning done, as moving the camshaft will also alter the ignition timing as it alters the home signal.

That way you can the move the cam gears from a known position and catalogue the results on the dyno.

Dave Thomas

so tomorrow we are putting the stock factory cam gears on to see if it runs properly like dave says it should.
because we are unsure if the verniers were set at tdc as the exhaust? cam gear on the front bank that has a cam angle sensor on it had the wrong attachment so slightly modded the vernier and fitted my cam angle sensor or it which may have thrown it out of whack a bit but again not sure hence why we are putting the stock cam gears on tomorrow and seeing what happens. but yeah why there is not vacuum and why the idle controller isnt working is a mystery... its definitely running extremely rich as well...

and why the emanage isnt cutting in with the anti stall feature is a mystery as well...

some input would be great if anyone has any knowledge or suggestions...

cheers

Post by **I8A4RE** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:41 pm

First off i agree with dave and secondly the emange anti stall feature is only going to do so much. You have to remeber you are doing a massive amount of modifications..... This aint plug and play stuff (like my turbo lol) It is serious tuning here. Good luck

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:58 pm

I8A4RE wrote:First off i agree with dave and secondly the emange anti stall feature is only going to do so much. You have to remeber you are doing a massive amount of modifications..... This aint plug and play stuff (like my turbo lol) It is serious tuning here. Good luck

so there is no vacuum due to too much over lap from the camshafts being timed in wrong with the verniers?

so your saying the emanage might not be enough? :'(

if i did go stand alone with the tip, didnt that guy do it in fiji somewhere and all the issue was it was rough cchanging gear in DRIVE but in tip it was fine? if thats the case i might go stand alone... will have to be a haltech as thats all they tune down here pretty much. but see what the emanage can do first.

Post by **Bennoz** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:02 pm

I still fear for you at that mechanic

Take a close look a this picture:

Why is the inlet cam (left) is fully retarded when the exhaust cam (right) looks to be set around 0???

All your cams should be set at 0 to start with. Its no wonder the bloody thing wont run properly, you may as well have got the timing belt off by 2 teeth...

I hope you realise too, that if they put the stock cam gears on, that means the entire timing assembly has to come off again & cam belt has to be reset again... there's a good 4 hours worth of work in that... at least.

Valandis91 · Post by **Valandis91** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:19 pm

yeah i know what you mean. i keep telling them to call dave as he would be able to get straight answers to them. but no.

the reason for that is cos of the modification to the cam angle sensor on the back and putting my original one on so it could fit he had to do that to make it back at 0 again... or something seriously its fucked...

if amyone would like to call them and tell them how retarded they are being feel free too. number is (03) 6234 1044

Post by **I8A4RE** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:22 pm

Valandis91 wrote:
I8A4RE wrote:First off i agree with dave and secondly the emange anti stall feature is only going to do so much. You have to remeber you are doing a massive amount of modifications..... This aint plug and play stuff (like my turbo lol) It is serious tuning here. Good luck
so there is no vacuum due to too much over lap from the camshafts being timed in wrong with the verniers?

so your saying the emanage might not be enough? :'(

if i did go stand alone with the tip, didnt that guy do it in fiji somewhere and all the issue was it was rough cchanging gear in DRIVE but in tip it was fine? if thats the case i might go stand alone... will have to be a haltech as thats all they tune down here pretty much. but see what the emanage can do first.

No the emanage is fine
What i am saying is IF THEY HAVE FUCKED THE SETTING's UP then the emange anti stall can only compensate so much.

ALSO BEN LOOKS TO BE DEAD RIGHT THEY ARE WAY OUT WITH THEIR TIMING THAT IS WAY THERE IS NO VACUUM