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I get aggressive sometimes as well.

When people pull out in front of you when there is NOONE behind you or drive slow in the fast lane i normally overtake them or go past them in slow lane if possible and get in front of them and slow to a crawl gradually.

BUT thats only extreme cases where i have nearly ran into them because they have pulled out in front of me, and the thing is thats being a wanker i guess in a smart way and also putting noone in immediate danger. Even though being a wanker is not really smart because they are only a phone call away from reporting you as hooning, and you havent got a chance against the hooning laws.

Be smart about it, dont go psycho, you are worse than them by going crazy, yes yes sometimes hard when you go into a blind rage when your underpressure etc but be a wanker calmly lol

But about the reaction time thing, all this physics and adding up and crap is bullshit.

When your on the road it all changes, like i saw a hare jumping along the road while i was doing 100km/h and by the time i could react and even start to apply brakes i was basically on top of it.

And i thought i was pretty quick. but no. i wasnt.

The ONLY reason that you havent ran up someones arse by now is because the driver does realise that you are a P-Plater, (im a p-plater too), and you are only a metre or so behind them and they probably dont want to brakecheck you as who wants to cause a crash and go through all the sh*t, or even better they continue on driving as they were to piss you off even more.

You might however get the one guy who has nothing to lose and will slam his brakes on and it will be your fault.

My advice yeah okay noone is really going to stop you driving aggressive, but dont sit up someones arse because you really will regret it one day and ruin your fto.

Also a question, you feel kinda stupid dont you after an "aggressive moment"?

As maybe something to stop you acting aggressive remind yourself of how you felt stupid about the last time.

And to everyone else posting about how good they are, and how they drive oh so sensibly all of the time, you bought an FTO for a reason..

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these facts are based on what i have learned from different people and researched on the internet, i could make a bibliography if u wanted

the motorbike one im not sure if i heard it someone, read it somewhere but im positive that i saw/heard it thats why i said "i think"

as for reaction time i have learnt a lot of that from a range of neurologists, doctors, physiotherapists and psychologists, that i had to see for roughly 2 years,

also i am not the most aggressive driver on the road, i dont do burnouts, try to drag people off the lights, attempt to drift, take corners at high speeds

as much as i do have a lot of bad habits i have good habits to
i have listed all my bad habits
or all of them that i can think of


post any questionable facts i have posted up and ill try to reference where i have got them from

brad_gpx wrote:i think the statistics were if you are likely to have a serious motorbike accident once every 18 months
they are not death traps because of the design of them they are death traps because of the lack of respect for them shown by other drivers on the road, i do not try to avoid them because they are bad drivers and i do not trust them just because i know that 1 mistake i do can lead to a death

as for reaction time it does raise more for more complicated procedures however if you are of extremely high intelligence it does not raise your reaction time as much as most people keeping reaction quite low

if anything im now a safer and more aware driver because of riding a bike. they arent death traps and your concept of the rider trust is exactly how i feel about cars whether im behind the wheel or handle bars.

its >drivers< who should not be trusted. why? because you have protection bars and all this new high tech safety crap they keep dumping into cars to cover for driver error. if anything driving a car with reverse cameras, bump sensors and all that crap is making drivers even worst, when we should be focusing on driver skill and training. all riders have are plastic fairing then hospital. this mindset should also apply to cars, who cares if they have metal and airbags, driving unsafe is deadly

70% of bike deaths are caused by ANOTHER vehicles whilst 30% of bike deaths are cause by the rider him/herself. proven test by rta

weather in a car or bike it takes 3 seconds minimum to react (again proven in rta studies) 1.5 seconds to see the hazard and another 1.5 to co-ordinate your body and press hard on the brakes. this is at a minimum, and thats not if you panick and freeze up.

take into account the reaction time and lets put you into a situation where the car infront crashes. t-bone, head on collision take your pick, the driver in front will stop suddenly. at even 60km/h, you WILL colide.

use the 3 second rule when behind a car in the future. 3 seconds has been proven to be 'safe enough'. rta doesnt just pull sh*t out of there arses when it comes to this stuff

brad_gpx wrote:, i dont do burnouts, try to drag people off the lights, attempt to drift, take corners at high speeds

This behaviour is not aggressive driving. This is being socially disrespectful and hooning. Aggressive driving is exactly what has been said before, tail gating, overtaking at ridiculous speeds and minute distances etc..

Most drivers on the road give bikers no respect. Not even a check of a blindspot. I cant believe that you say "I never check my blind spots." Think about some of the things mentioned in this thread and stop making excuses/ performing math calculations. That is simply hiding the problem that is so clear. And I agree with Ben, you won't learn a thing untill you have a near death experience or kill someone else.

We all learn mate....eventually

bushido wrote:

brad_gpx wrote:, i dont do burnouts, try to drag people off the lights, attempt to drift, take corners at high speeds

This behaviour is not aggressive driving. This is being socially disrespectful and hooning. Aggressive driving is exactly what has been said before, tail gating, overtaking at ridiculous speeds and minute distances etc..

Most drivers on the road give bikers no respect. Not even a check of a blindspot. I cant believe that you say "I never check my blind spots." Think about some of the things mentioned in this thread and stop making excuses/ performing math calculations. That is simply hiding the problem that is so clear. And I agree with Ben, you won't learn a thing untill you have a near death experience or kill someone else.

We all learn mate....eventually

hence why i want to get an aftermarket exhaust for my bike. ;
i want it louder so they know im there. steve where did you get yours done?

WHat bike did you get.

Let me know and I can recommend something

Bahahahahahahahaha! ive been laughing my ass off for the last 30 mins before posting this hahaha, just saw this thread now ...

hahaha brad_gpx your a fool, but u made my day

bushido wrote:WHat bike did you get.

Let me know and I can recommend something

250ninja... all the cbr250s had ''issues''

J wrote:

bushido wrote:

brad_gpx wrote:, i dont do burnouts, try to drag people off the lights, attempt to drift, take corners at high speeds

This behaviour is not aggressive driving. This is being socially disrespectful and hooning. Aggressive driving is exactly what has been said before, tail gating, overtaking at ridiculous speeds and minute distances etc..

Most drivers on the road give bikers no respect. Not even a check of a blindspot. I cant believe that you say "I never check my blind spots." Think about some of the things mentioned in this thread and stop making excuses/ performing math calculations. That is simply hiding the problem that is so clear. And I agree with Ben, you won't learn a thing untill you have a near death experience or kill someone else.

We all learn mate....eventually

hence why i want to get an aftermarket exhaust for my bike. ;
i want it louder so they know im there. steve where did you get yours done?

i never said i never check my blindspots
i always check my blindspots
i said that you should never have to, that you should always know whether a car is in your blindspot before you check
you should still check for safety though

i said i was an aggressive driver not a hoon
i do not overtake at ridiculous speeds, i do not overtake if i dont have enough room
i never said i did
i am not making excuses for my behaviour, as i have stated my behaviour is wrong and i accept that however i will continue to do it

my "excuses/maths calculations" are for backing up the "you can avoid almost any accident on the road" which has nothing to do with my driving

3 seconds is complete bullshit
if it takes that long how come at the drags it doesnt take someone that long off the mark, ever
it is the same reaction

call it want you wanna

ive got nothing to loose by playing safe.

drags? thats a safer environment with only one thing to react to. you know the green light is coming all you got to do is throttle plant...

do you expect to crash everytime you tailgate? no. you dont know when or if its going to happen, then it becomes a bad habit till something goes wrong. you have so much other random sh*t going on around you that comparing tailgating to drag races is rediculous

J wrote:call it want you wanna

ive got nothing to loose by playing safe.

indeed
you are a much better driver than me then

Mate.. Seriously.. 3 seconds is not bullshit.. The RTA has always said to maintain a safe distance..

They use to say 3 car lengths, but changed it to 3 seconds because people have trouble reading distance... I have a presentation at work that I will post up.. It will confirm all everyone has said here (except yourself).. It will even estimate at what speed you will hit someone at higher speeds fooling the 3 second methodology..

My advice is open your mind.. You have a lot of people telling you here that in the real world, there are different situations and rules for reasons..

Personally I think we are wasting our time trying to correct you, and I hope you learn before you injur yourself......... Or someone else...

Here it is ...

http://www.auburn.nsw.gov.au/uploadedFi ... v08(1).pdf

I would pay most attention to pages 14 & 25 ... That is if you really thing reaction time is BS, at least look at stopping power, and the distance you travel at speed...

I imagined they changed from the 3-car rule to the 3 second rule because surely they can't expect you to keep such a small distance at 110km/h even though you could get away with it at a 20km/h...

Either way, we can all accept that its the responsibility of driver, motorcyclists and cyclists to ensure they use their training and diligence on the road to prevent accidents from occurring as it takes 1 mistake from ANY person for it to all go wrong.

Enough said, lets go back to be friendly now

by 3 seconds i dont mean the 3 second rule of staying behind a car

i am saying that taking 3 seconds to react is bullshit as one said before

the 3 second rta rule is not time taken to react it is a safe distance at which all drivers can slow down if the car in front of them slams on their brakes

Moderators, can I suggest a warning towards a particular individual to tone down their opinion?

Not sure their posts in this thread cast FTOA in a very pretty light at all...

and we would all hate for their comments (visible for all the world to see) to be taken out of context and intimated to represent the views of our community as a whole (ACA, TodayTonight anyone?)

sorry i dont mean to offend anyone with my opinion

majority of my posts were not arguing whether my bad habits are right or wrong, i accepted they are wrong

my posts are debating whether the majority of crashes are avoidable whether you are at fault or not

brad_gpx wrote:sorry i dont mean to offend anyone with my opinion

No, but your levels of stupidity are seriously offensive to my brain.

nicholas wrote:Moderators, can I suggest a warning towards a particular individual to tone down their opinion?

Not sure their posts in this thread cast FTOA in a very pretty light at all...

and we would all hate for their comments (visible for all the world to see) to be taken out of context and intimated to represent the views of our community as a whole (ACA, TodayTonight anyone?)

if anything this thread makes ftoaus look good.

every other post has been helpfull and shows that we do side with safety... besides all the oh so usefull ''your a fkn idiot'' posts ... i actually reckon with all these statics and tips, this thread is sticky worthy

incase your reading tracy grimshaw

*disclaimer: all previous post before this and all context within are my opinion ONLY unless stated otherwise, this website is not responcible for any written material submitted by the user name ''J''