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Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:17 pm
by Rob Furniss

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:44 pm
by Rob Furniss
In fact i'm going to order a core and make my own charge cooler since I can't find one on ebay with the right size core.

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:47 pm
by Astron_Boy
http://www.pwr.com.au/

nothing at all for use there?

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:07 pm
by Rob Furniss
No they are all barrel type, would be nice to get something off the shelf though.

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:15 pm
by Rob Furniss
I want to end up with something like this:
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But with a liquid/air core inside and water in/out on the ends running to a small rad and pump.

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:30 pm
by Astron_Boy
ooooh, that's kinda funky.

That could even work quite well for a general N/A track car.

EDIT: Would that alone be enough though, as the point of impact for the first 2 runners is immediately after the initial hit of air.

OR

Are you creating like a tubed effect where by the intake will be split in the middle to allow the air to circulate??

IE
intake.jpg
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Where red is the air from turbo, purple is the air passing through fins/ radiator top side, blue is passing through fins bottom side after being cooled?

Just thinking comparitive size compared to volume of air, etc.

Again, I'm no expert, so...

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:28 pm
by BearOnFire
Astron_Boy wrote:Again, I'm no expert, so...
Same here.

Do you happen to have sheets of thin plexiglass laying around and a heat bender?
Fun way of building prototypes. Hire out a disco smoke machine. wrap a cloth around a vacuum hose to impede suction for slower motion veiw
Setting up is no differ to how you set it up in the car.

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:19 pm
by Rob Furniss
Astron_Boy wrote:ooooh, that's kinda funky.

That could even work quite well for a general N/A track car.

EDIT: Would that alone be enough though, as the point of impact for the first 2 runners is immediately after the initial hit of air.

OR

Are you creating like a tubed effect where by the intake will be split in the middle to allow the air to circulate??

IE
intake.jpg
Where red is the air from turbo, purple is the air passing through fins/ radiator top side, blue is passing through fins bottom side after being cooled?

Just thinking comparitive size compared to volume of air, etc.

Again, I'm no expert, so...
Thinking more like this, flow isn't great but not much I can do about that apart from a shaped end tank which will help a little.
Image

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:00 pm
by BearOnFire
More curvature-more flowing, less air crash.
PVC pipe.
Cheers!

:D

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:22 pm
by Rob Furniss
Problem is I don't have much room as the charger will be sitting behind it and blowing straight through, I know it's not going to be perfect.
Will just have to see how much slope I can get on it.

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:54 pm
by BearOnFire
Lot of today's intercooler is curved designed on the side. No harm basing your idea's on that.
With the right amount of pressure, a bit of a vortex effect.
Year 12 science project :rabbit:

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:22 pm
by Astron_Boy
How much boost you planning again?

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:31 pm
by Rob Furniss
Somewhere between 8-9psi, I previously ran 7-8psi (only occassionally saw 8psi flick up on the gauge).
I've had info back from bell intercoolers that the core that I was planning on using (A=2.25", B=2.5", C=12") has sufficient flow up to 300hp but not very thermal efficient, they recommended an A=3" or A=3.5"
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Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:11 pm
by Astron_Boy
Ahh ok, yeah 8-9 would be ok. I didn't even use an IC for my 8psi turbo setup on my car.
You able to fit 3" - 'A'?

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:41 pm
by Rob Furniss
Yeah I can fit 3" A, I have to cut the intake runners down anyway and last time I did this I still had about an inch to play with and then had 3" box section on (with no core inside) so should be ok.
Last time I just used a small front mount IC and had temp probes before and after, it only dropped the temp by about 20 degrees C to around 30+ but I hated all the pipe routing and possibility of leaks from all the joins plus the cost of all the ally and silicone pipes.

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:05 pm
by Rob Furniss
Picked up some ally box section today and they cut it for me on their bandsaw, also picked up some ally plate.
Think I will use them again as they are nice guys and the price was good (Robert Cooper Perth), just a shame it's almost 50K's away but you can't have everything.

I now need to get the following ordered/picked up and I can then get started on fabricating the charge cooler:
liquid/air core from Bell Intercoolers
Burner/torch and some mappgas
hts 2000 rods

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:40 pm
by Astron_Boy
Awesome, post some pics of the process as you do it.

Re: Great site on intercoolers / charge coolers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:20 pm
by Rob Furniss
I will do mate, a lot of my design is in my head and on scraps of paper and probably difficult for me to convey to you guys text wise, pictures speak a thousand words as "they" say.