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6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:27 pm
by viper-99
hi guys i am looking to upgrade the 6a12 v6 in my 94 fto to a 6a13 just wanted to know will the motor drop straight in or do i have to stuff around with it

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:10 pm
by silverGPX
From what ive heard it drops straight in

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:16 pm
by ZFL45H1
Best person to ask is bennoz 6a13tt king :lol:

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:04 pm
by vipfto
yeah straight drop in 6A13 no turbo -day job or 6A13tt never ending lol

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:47 pm
by kiz
Question is, is it really worth dropping out a 6A12 and putting in a non-turboed 6A13? All for a gain of what average 10kW?

Unless it's replacing a high k engine for a low k. In which case my question is mute

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:37 pm
by Taz
as well as being 500cc larger, so you can get more torque out of it, and being a larger displacement and mods will have a better effect. Honestly, for someone who blows a head gasket/waterlocks an engine etc and can pick up one of these cheap with a loom then hell - why not?

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:59 pm
by kiz
Taz wrote:as well as being 500cc larger, so you can get more torque out of it, and being a larger displacement and mods will have a better effect. Honestly, for someone who blows a head gasket/waterlocks an engine etc and can pick up one of these cheap with a loom then hell - why not?
Having a higher cc doesn't mean crap sometimes, my MX6 has a 2.5L but that's a hunk of junk compared to my 2L FTO.

But hey if he has the engine to do the conversion good on him. I'd do it too if I had the money and the engine.

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:40 pm
by Taz
There's no replacement for displacement.

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:54 pm
by kiz
Taz wrote:There's no replacement for displacement.
Big ass turbo ;)

Re: 6a13

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:06 pm
by spetz
Viper99, you need to add more info.
Is your FTO MIVEC?
Do you want a 6A13 turbo or non?
What are you trying to achieve?
What is your budget?

Re: 6a13

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:23 am
by Bennoz
Yeah ya can't beat cubes.

It's a direct fit bar the rear turbo, need to either bash in the bulkhead or do it the classy way & make a new manifold. I prefer the classy way as there are a lot of brake lines near the bash in area that eventually get cooked.

Re: 6a13

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:33 pm
by spency
Bennoz wrote:Yeah ya can't beat cubes.

It's a direct fit bar the rear turbo, need to either bash in the bulkhead or do it the classy way & make a new manifold. I prefer the classy way as there are a lot of brake lines near the bash in area that eventually get cooked.
Could a big single turbo make it easier to drop straight in?

Re: 6a13

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:36 pm
by vipfto
Easy to drop in but much more pipe fab work

Re: 6a13

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:39 pm
by Taz
just take off one of the turbos and have the factory small one at the front :troll:

Re: 6a13

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:42 pm
by Daniel2019
Taz wrote:just take off one of the turbos and have the factory small one at the front :troll:
Yeah, you'll do 0-15 in no time! :troll:

Re: 6a13

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:15 pm
by viper-99
my fto is 1994 gp triptronic auto 2L v6 stock motor and for the moment I am looking at dropping in a non turbo 6a13 for the moment as I am on my p's and funding the project is no problem for me might also drop in a manual gearbox while I am going

Re: 6a13

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:54 pm
by spetz
Being on your P's I doubt you will be allowed an engine conversion.
My suggestion would be start with a manual conversion.
Later on you can find a 6A13 SOHC and use your DOHC heads on it + get a piggyback computer to tune it.
If you will be rebuilding the engine, a cost effective way to strengthen it is to source stock 6A13TT con rods from someone who upgraded, and use 4G9X pistons to raise compression ratio. Then you can do other mods like cams, exhaust, intake etc, and considering the 2.5L capacity you should get good results from mods.

You'll never really be able to go past the 7,500 redline as the DOHC heads use hydraulic lifters, but either which way a 2.5L with a 7,500rpm redline should be a very quick little car.

Re: 6a13

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:00 am
by Daniel2019
spetz wrote:Being on your P's I doubt you will be allowed an engine conversion.
Makes no difference mate :mrgreen: . If the car is registered and not defectable, non turbo and under 200kw at the flywheel then its perfectly legal to drive, regardless of P plates or not ;)

Unless I'm mistaken. Ive never seen anything in P plater laws on the RTA website about it being illegal to drive a car with a different engine so yeah, its fine :D

Re: 6a13

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:25 am
by silverGPX
Or just do no conversion, and buy a better car.

Re: 6a13

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:29 am
by spetz
Daniel2019 wrote:
spetz wrote:Being on your P's I doubt you will be allowed an engine conversion.
Makes no difference mate :mrgreen: . If the car is registered and not defectable, non turbo and under 200kw at the flywheel then its perfectly legal to drive, regardless of P plates or not ;)

Unless I'm mistaken. Ive never seen anything in P plater laws on the RTA website about it being illegal to drive a car with a different engine so yeah, its fine :D
I think (but could be mistaken) that any mods that need an engineers certificate to make legal is not allowed by P platers?
Hopefully someone in the know can clear this up