questioin about engine mods?

jap80x · Post by **jap80x** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:01 pm

hello,

i've just finished my exterior and interior on my fto,
so now im after some engine mods!
does anyone know where i can buy them from, around sydney - newcastle area,

after market mods like :
extractors
throttle body
n/a custom plenum
injectors
forged pistons/rings or stronger pistons/rings.
fuel system
racing leads and plugs
custom manifold
cams
aftermarket computer
and so on...

is there any webs sites with these parts for sale, or places that would sell them?
thanks for your help
jai

AJ · Post by AJ » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:15 pm

you'll find a lot of answers here www.completefto.com.au/fto_showcontent.asp

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:54 am

I like your energy...hope your bank balance is big!!

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:34 am

Since you quoted N/A custom plenum, I assume you going to stick to N/A. So are you going to run NOS? If not i don't see the point of getting the following done.

injectors
forged pistons/rings or stronger pistons/rings.
fuel system

I understand you had these items in your list because you came from a turbo car, but on an N/A, i don't see much gain for the money, if any at all.

jap80x · Post by **jap80x** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:47 pm

FTO338 wrote:Since you quoted N/A custom plenum, I assume you going to stick to N/A. So are you going to run NOS? If not i don't see the point of getting the following done.

injectors
forged pistons/rings or stronger pistons/rings.
fuel system
I understand you had these items in your list because you came from a turbo car, but on an N/A, i don't see much gain for the money, if any at all.

the reason why i am doing this is because one of my mates has a integra tyre r, with the following mods,
and that flys, its only a 1.8L 4cyl making 219.9hp, so imagine a 2.0 v6 with the same gear, it should easily make 250hp in a fto.
has anyone ever done this yet?
well if not, i'll be the first one to find it out, and i'll let you know how it goes, powerwise and control, i have a feeling the clutch will go straight away!

has it ever been done before?

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:06 pm

Assuming your are talking about DC2, then you are comparing two totally different type of engine; it is much easier to extract power out of Honda BA series (Straight type) engine then FTO 6A12 series (V type). Plus have your friend actually done a dyno test before & after he put the foggie in to see the different. I mean just them alone & not with other mods.

Even with DC5, they are still straight type engine.

I just hope you won't get disappointed after spending all those money, & realize there isnâ€™t any different.

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:03 pm

I'll give you a hand here Kev

Jap80x - just keep in mind when modding an FTO for power there is very little in the way of 'off the shelf' go fast bits... In fact after intakes & exhausts, thats it - its off to the engineering shop you go. With that in mind - you will NEVER make 250hp without sticking a turbo or blower on it.
Having said that - I'll see what I can do with you list here....

extractors - available through RPW www.rpw.com.au. Approx $600. These units pump a 2.5 inch feed to your cat. Once these are installed you will only get the full potential if you relace the cat, resonator, muffler with high flow units & some nice mandrel bent 2.5" stainless pipe. Another $6-800.
Throttle body - Also available through RPW www.rpw.com.au
Easiest way to do it? Take your own TB down to an engineering shop & have them bore it out, fit a larger brass butterfly & machine the inlet out.
$100 worth of machining

n/a custom plenum - No such thing off the shelf. Again down to the machine / performance shop & have it ported to your specs. Some of us here have had it done.

injectors - No point if you are staying NA. The stock fuel system only runs at 60% capacity during full throttle using 167cc injectors

forged pistons/rings or stronger pistons/rings. - No point if you are staying NA. We have guys here running 6-8 pound boost on turbo FTOs with no issues with the stock internal. If you were to upgrade them, it would be purley for longevity reasons. Not only that, no-one makes a forged piston for an FTO motor. Its just not available. You'd have to strip the motor down, pull out the stockie & take them to a performace shop & see what forgies they could match up or modify to fit.

fuel system - Only item that we recommend upgrading in the fuel system is adding a 1.7:1 rising rate fuel pressure regulator. If you really need more out of the pump, there is an uprated aftermarket unit available from the UK www.camskill.co.uk. There is also a minor mod you can do to the connector line that joins the fuel rails. Its a 1/4" pipe that chokes the rear bank a little bit a bit & as a result the front cylinders tend to run rich on FTO's. That pipe can be upgraded with some custom setup. The fuel rail can also be replaced with custom rails cut to size. RPW again can supply these.

racing leads and plugs - Leads are available from Magnecor http://www.magnecor.com.au/ get some nice 8mm lead. You cannot go any bigger as the lead cannot be pushed into the Mitsubishi plug boot if its over 8mm

Plugs - I recommend an NGK Iridium unit. Other folks have different brand preference but tend to go for the same type of long life unit. Any auotshop can get these in for you

custom manifold - Not available off the shelf. Again, down to the machine shop & tell them to do what you want. Also something that some of us have had done.

cams - No hot cams are available for the FTO. You can buy a billet set from RPW for $2200, but you then have to specify the grind you want on them.

aftermarket computer - A number of options available. I dont recomment a complete engine management system. It simply doesnt need it, also the car becomes very rough when the stock ECU is removed... it runs more than just the air / fuel ratio. We recommend piggy back units when staying NA. Greddy, Apexi, Uniship, Perfect Power all make suitable units. All available through respective resellers & dealers. Price ranging from about $800 to $2000 installed & dyno tuned.
and so on...

As the Integra was released to a worldwide market - the world has had time & resources available to develope go-fast bits, especially in the states. The FTO was only ever intended for the Japanese domestic market. Eventually it found its way out to places like New Zealand & the UK, but with such small numbers that performance developement for them was not economically viable. We have to make it up as we go!

If you want me to elaborate on any of the above, just ask

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:05 pm

Some other sites that may be of interest:
www.perfectrun.com.au - they can supply your heavy duty clutch & other bits like quickshifters etc
www.uniqueautosports.com.au - they can do your u-beaut air intakes, big brake upgrades etc

jap80x · Post by **jap80x** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:09 pm

FTO338 wrote:Assuming your are talking about DC2, then you are comparing two totally different type of engine; it is much easier to extract power out of Honda BA series (Straight type) engine then FTO 6A12 series (V type). Plus have your friend actually done a dyno test before & after he put the foggie in to see the different. I mean just them alone & not with other mods.

Even with DC5, they are still straight type engine.

I just hope you won't get disappointed after spending all those money, & realize there isnâ€™t any different.

without the mods, just an 2.5" exhaust, he made 142hp
with the mods, he made 219.9hp (i watched it on the dyno)

Post by **Bennoz** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:16 pm

And how can I forget!

http://www.completefto.com.au/FTO_showcontent.asp

A reference site run by one of our members here 'dstocks' that has just about every bit of info you'll ever need. Including supplier sites, part numbers etc

Post by **Supplanter** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:19 pm

Did you see both dyno runs? Were they done on the same dyno with the same settings in the same place? Different dynos can give very different results

jap80x · Post by **jap80x** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:20 pm

thanks for your help bennoz

jap80x · Post by **jap80x** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:24 pm

Supplanter wrote:Did you see both dyno runs? Were they done on the same dyno with the same settings in the same place? Different dynos can give very different results

it was the same dyno, but the setting would be different because of the mods (tuning)

spetz · Post by **spetz** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:38 pm

But if he puts forged pistons with high compression (12:1) that will already give him a good power gain.

Also, with forged rods, cams, valvetrain, and mods to the gearbox he'll be able to rev out to 10,000rpm or so, meaning much more power!

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:02 pm

are we talking atw's figures?

if raw power is what you are after...buy a skyline and mod it. The FTO is never really gonna be a match for a mid moded skyline...just do the extractor-cat-muffler..CAI...emanage. you'll get >112kw atw (150bhp)

I saw a a 2002 Type R with the same mods as above go from 100 to 140kw atw (187bhp)

I'm looking at a R33 GTS-T with the same mods as above (0.7bar) and its gone from 140kw atw (187bhp) to 186kw atw (250 bhp)... the list goes on...so i question your figures you have stated and assume its fly not atw.

The FTO does not mod well and for your $$ you might as well just get a new 2.5l engine with twin turbo...now that would be nice but rem. its FWD!

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:37 pm

Thanks Ben

I knew someone going to translate my chingrish sooner or later hahah

There use to be a website that done by someone 3-4 yrs ago, it was about this guy trying to make 250hp out of a N/A FTO. So this path been through before. And he end up selling it after 2yrs of trying.

I can't find it anymore, but i'm sure some old member (pre-03) would of read it too.

d_stroy_r · Post by **d_stroy_r** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:44 pm

Bennoz wrote: forged pistons/rings or stronger pistons/rings. - No point if you are staying NA. We have guys here running 6-8 pound boost on turbo FTOs with no issues with the stock internal. If you were to upgrade them, it would be purley for longevity reasons. Not only that, no-one makes a forged piston for an FTO motor. Its just not available. You'd have to strip the motor down, pull out the stockie & take them to a performace shop & see what forgies they could match up or modify to fit.

Rpw does the forged pistons.

Rpw pretty much does everything but i have neva seen or heard a person buy all there products and test them.

I think it is possible to get 250 hp at the engine but 250 hp atw is pretty damn hard!

khunjeng · Post by **khunjeng** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:27 pm

its FWD unless u make it AWD there's no point having more than about 130-140atw..thats damn fast anyway...low 6s 0-100.

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:07 am

Ok I know this is only a game but when they quote around the 300bhp mark for NA Tuning stage 3 in gran turismo, how much would you think that would be at the wheels?

I don't have it in front of me at the moment but what was the caption of what NA Tuning stage 3 is?

FTO338 · Post by **FTO338** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:05 am

ahhah yeah Joel in games i'm Superman, James Bond, & a Rally Champion hahahaha

300hp = 223.7kw

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