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fto wont turn over

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so after my fto got flooded, changed starter motor, spark plugs, oil and everything, went to start it today, got nothing, didnt evan attempt to turn over,

so now im guesseing a sensor or electrical problem somewhere,
where the hell do i start?
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How flooded are we talking here? 8O
I'll have an FTO one day... i swear!

until then:
1. 2001 Merc-Benz A160 (porta-loo on wheels)
2. 2007 Peugeot 307 TDi (more fun than you'd expect)
3. [url=ttp://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25373]2009 Mitsubishi Triton Di-D (a monster in its own right)[/url]
4. 1992 Nissan NX Coupe (club car and project car)
5. 1996 Holden SB Barina - "The Nugget"
6. 1996 Jeep XJ Cherokee Sport - The Budget Build
7. 2010 Toyota Landcruiser 76 Series - V8 Goodness... - Build coming soon.
8. 1990 Audi 90 manual - The delightfully dignified daily driver
Astron_Boy wrote:No correction needed Gen Y, you are correct.
Bennoz wrote:My rubbing happens on the inside.
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Could be your starter motor not working
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yeah my new starter motor from bennoz arrived today, connected it and everything,
it didnt evan turn over, the battery still has power, but once u turn from accessory to ignition, just nothing, and i mean nothing at all
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Start in the ignition barrel. By the sounds of it there's a short in there and that's causing the issue
I'll have an FTO one day... i swear!

until then:
1. 2001 Merc-Benz A160 (porta-loo on wheels)
2. 2007 Peugeot 307 TDi (more fun than you'd expect)
3. [url=ttp://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25373]2009 Mitsubishi Triton Di-D (a monster in its own right)[/url]
4. 1992 Nissan NX Coupe (club car and project car)
5. 1996 Holden SB Barina - "The Nugget"
6. 1996 Jeep XJ Cherokee Sport - The Budget Build
7. 2010 Toyota Landcruiser 76 Series - V8 Goodness... - Build coming soon.
8. 1990 Audi 90 manual - The delightfully dignified daily driver
Astron_Boy wrote:No correction needed Gen Y, you are correct.
Bennoz wrote:My rubbing happens on the inside.
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Hey fraz, should he bench test or hot wire the starter just to make sure it works?
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mikeey01nzl wrote:Hats off to you too Phil for spending so much time on the phone trying to help someone out, your a top man and only a few would've spent so much time. well done! :salut:
Daniel2019 wrote:Come on phil, we bonded at the bonfire, lets be honest here...me and phil are besties now... :lol:
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Blown red fuse in cabin fuse box or how do you know the battery has power? You ave waited a seriously long time since starting it haven't you? Headlights still bright when you turn them on? Try a jump start.
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PHIL069 wrote:Hey fraz, should he bench test or hot wire the starter just to make sure it works?
Wouldn't hurt to bench test it.

When you replaced the spark plugs, did you check to see if there was any water in the cylinders? that'll stop a motor from turning over pretty quickly.

Check the fuses as well. But replacing a fuse only fixes the symptom. If it blows straight away again, then there's something seriously wrong.
I'll have an FTO one day... i swear!

until then:
1. 2001 Merc-Benz A160 (porta-loo on wheels)
2. 2007 Peugeot 307 TDi (more fun than you'd expect)
3. [url=ttp://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25373]2009 Mitsubishi Triton Di-D (a monster in its own right)[/url]
4. 1992 Nissan NX Coupe (club car and project car)
5. 1996 Holden SB Barina - "The Nugget"
6. 1996 Jeep XJ Cherokee Sport - The Budget Build
7. 2010 Toyota Landcruiser 76 Series - V8 Goodness... - Build coming soon.
8. 1990 Audi 90 manual - The delightfully dignified daily driver
Astron_Boy wrote:No correction needed Gen Y, you are correct.
Bennoz wrote:My rubbing happens on the inside.
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Check number 12, or swap 12 and 14 to see if it will turn over
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mikeey01nzl wrote:Hats off to you too Phil for spending so much time on the phone trying to help someone out, your a top man and only a few would've spent so much time. well done! :salut:
Daniel2019 wrote:Come on phil, we bonded at the bonfire, lets be honest here...me and phil are besties now... :lol:
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Fuse box inside the car.
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Which one?
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Daniel2019 wrote:Come on phil, we bonded at the bonfire, lets be honest here...me and phil are besties now... :lol:
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Which one? He could just check them all
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mikeey01nzl wrote:Hats off to you too Phil for spending so much time on the phone trying to help someone out, your a top man and only a few would've spent so much time. well done! :salut:
Daniel2019 wrote:Come on phil, we bonded at the bonfire, lets be honest here...me and phil are besties now... :lol:
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Also why did you change the starter???
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PHIL069 wrote:
payaya wrote:Fuse box inside the car.
Which one? He could just check them all
No idea. About 5 years ago I remembered turning the key and nothing. From memory it was a fuse in the cabin I think and it was red I think haha.
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payaya wrote:
PHIL069 wrote:
payaya wrote:Fuse box inside the car.
Which one? He could just check them all
No idea. About 5 years ago I remembered turning the key and nothing. From memory it was a fuse in the cabin I think and it was red I think haha.
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mikeey01nzl wrote:Hats off to you too Phil for spending so much time on the phone trying to help someone out, your a top man and only a few would've spent so much time. well done! :salut:
Daniel2019 wrote:Come on phil, we bonded at the bonfire, lets be honest here...me and phil are besties now... :lol:
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payaya wrote:Also why did you change the starter???
Starter motors (and alternators for that matter) don't like water. Why do you think they're always mounted up nice and high?

I'm still waiting for my starter motor to pack it in. Been through 2 alternators so far, but that was in ridiculously sludgy water (also, 4x4 not FTO)
I'll have an FTO one day... i swear!

until then:
1. 2001 Merc-Benz A160 (porta-loo on wheels)
2. 2007 Peugeot 307 TDi (more fun than you'd expect)
3. [url=ttp://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25373]2009 Mitsubishi Triton Di-D (a monster in its own right)[/url]
4. 1992 Nissan NX Coupe (club car and project car)
5. 1996 Holden SB Barina - "The Nugget"
6. 1996 Jeep XJ Cherokee Sport - The Budget Build
7. 2010 Toyota Landcruiser 76 Series - V8 Goodness... - Build coming soon.
8. 1990 Audi 90 manual - The delightfully dignified daily driver
Astron_Boy wrote:No correction needed Gen Y, you are correct.
Bennoz wrote:My rubbing happens on the inside.
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fraz91 wrote:
payaya wrote:Also why did you change the starter???
Starter motors (and alternators for that matter) don't like water. Why do you think they're always mounted up nice and high?

I'm still waiting for my starter motor to pack it in. Been through 2 alternators so far, but that was in ridiculously sludgy water (also, 4x4 not FTO)
The starter in the FTO is located the BOTTOM of the engine. Most starters are mounted at the bottom of the engine as the flywheel is located LOWER in the engine. A puddle would not kill starter that's why I asked. When a starter fails it's usually where and tear to the armature and not from water ingestion.

Now its leading me to believe the op changed the starter because the car was not starting only to find out after changing to another starter it was never the starter? :D
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Any lights on the dash at all?
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Water rusts the copper windings and corrodes everything. And you'll find that while the starter is mounted lower in the engine, it's normally mounted as high as possible on the flywheel (not sure of FTO, simply going off the various other vehicles I've worked on). If a car has been waterlogged/flooded, it's good practice to change the starter as it's only a matter of time before it fails.
I'll have an FTO one day... i swear!

until then:
1. 2001 Merc-Benz A160 (porta-loo on wheels)
2. 2007 Peugeot 307 TDi (more fun than you'd expect)
3. [url=ttp://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25373]2009 Mitsubishi Triton Di-D (a monster in its own right)[/url]
4. 1992 Nissan NX Coupe (club car and project car)
5. 1996 Holden SB Barina - "The Nugget"
6. 1996 Jeep XJ Cherokee Sport - The Budget Build
7. 2010 Toyota Landcruiser 76 Series - V8 Goodness... - Build coming soon.
8. 1990 Audi 90 manual - The delightfully dignified daily driver
Astron_Boy wrote:No correction needed Gen Y, you are correct.
Bennoz wrote:My rubbing happens on the inside.
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Bennoz wrote:Any lights on the dash at all?
Connor_1994 wrote:the battery still has power, but once you turn from accessory to ignition, just nothing, and i mean nothing at all
:troll:
I'll have an FTO one day... i swear!

until then:
1. 2001 Merc-Benz A160 (porta-loo on wheels)
2. 2007 Peugeot 307 TDi (more fun than you'd expect)
3. [url=ttp://ftoaustralia.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25373]2009 Mitsubishi Triton Di-D (a monster in its own right)[/url]
4. 1992 Nissan NX Coupe (club car and project car)
5. 1996 Holden SB Barina - "The Nugget"
6. 1996 Jeep XJ Cherokee Sport - The Budget Build
7. 2010 Toyota Landcruiser 76 Series - V8 Goodness... - Build coming soon.
8. 1990 Audi 90 manual - The delightfully dignified daily driver
Astron_Boy wrote:No correction needed Gen Y, you are correct.
Bennoz wrote:My rubbing happens on the inside.
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